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Poster:	ripcurldead	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 1:12pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

What Say YEE Ol' Dead Heads,
lets get RHINO to give the music the freedom JERRY intended it to have!
They have been ignoring the wishes of the true fans and they have been sitting on this vault WAY too long.
WHAT A MISTAKE SELLING TO THEM!!! WARNER BROS owns RHINO but I think RHINO is in control of how the music get distributed.
As a group we all need to contact them as often as possible, and get their attention.

EMAIL RHINO until we get an answer at drrhino@rhino.com
or call them and leave a message, tell them how you feel about them being corporate scumbags and holding an amazing work of Art hostage. It's just like when someone steals a Van Gogh from a museum, the rest of the world can't view it any longer, RHINO did the same thing, they stole this music from us, wewant the access back!!
CALL THEM AND BUG THEM, they are really doing us deadheads a diservice!!
maybe they don't see how much money they are losing by not releasing this music to us on a regular basis.
Maybe they think we like fancy packaging and flawless perromances, HELL NO it's The Grateful Dead, we don't wany anything other than the unedited, pure, unrefined, as-played music!!! so simple!! so frustrating!!
Let pull together and get RHINO TO ACT!!
Maybe there are some Dead Head attorneys who can give direction on how to ge RHINO motivated to release this music....

Drrhino@rhino.com

rhinorecords@theStore24.com

or call: (888) 440-4232

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Poster:	BryanE	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:37pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

In answer to the one question posed in the thread about paying for downloads, but addressing the topic in general, gotta lean towards no, which actually means maybe, but it would actually be yes if it was something that was really, really important to me, which is highly unlikely that it would be THAT important because what with, oh I don't know, feeding the family, keeping lights in the house, making sure water comes out of the faucet while making sure gasoline keeps burning in the tank so I can make it to work in order to earn the paycheck that pays for the food, the lights, and the water, not to mention the cable bill, enabling me to inject MY fine how-do-you-do's into the debate here and I'm sorry what was the question? Rhino? Do I give a flying fuck about Rhino? Not really. I liked 'em better back when they were kind of an upstart/underground fly-by-night operation and only those of us who were really in-the-know about where to score strange indie rock and cool bootlegs of everyone from Lou Reed to Alice Cooper always relied on the little mimeographed fliers that were distributed by them at record conventions simply as handouts courtesy of a couple of shabbily-dressed geeks planted in the convention hall by those ever-lovin' radicals at Rhino. SOMEBODY there had a head for business. Gotta give 'em that. What would Jerry have wanted? How should I know? You want to get fired up about something? Look all across every news channel this afternoon and watch as all of them try to scrutinize what's being disseminated from this new Bin Laden tape while every talking head in the country asks the question, "How come we've pissed away a hundred trillion dollars in Iraq but just completely blew off the hunt for THIS guy? Isn't there one single person in Washington who remembers the World Trade Center? What about The Pentagon? Surely some of the people who work there were around when the damned plane flew into their workplace." You want to get fired up about something? Take a look around you at the unbelievably huge number of people in the United States between the ages of 17 and 25 who have died from heroin overdoses over the past five to ten years. You want to take a stand for something? How about standing up for channeling maybe just a small fraction of the money being used to finance The Surge in Iraq so that just a few homes in the 9th Ward of New Orleans can get rebuilt? How about standing up for the countless victims of unchecked police violence in this country without fear that you, yourself, will be the next victim? You want to make something your cause? Consider the ever-growing number of high school dropouts in the United States and try figuring out just what is going on in a country where the value that young people place on their education has diminished to an all-time low, where the interest in learning and broadening one's perspective of the world has dwindled to a level that was unimaginable a generation ago.

But, then again, if this Rhino thing is really what gets you going, so be it. Good luck with that.

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Poster:	shirley oldschool	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 5:04pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

I'll send a few dollars if BE needs a new soapbox. it's music, man.........Shut the fuck-up
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Poster:	BryanE	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:29pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

"Shut the fuck-up ........it's music, man."

You're absolutely right, shirley! Thank God there are people like you who see the big picture. It is so much more important that we stress about Rhino instead of all the trivial minutiae that I mentioned. Please allow me to beg you to forgive me for taking up your time. And should anyone you know or care about it ever lose their home to a natural disaster, I certainly hope that there are no valuable dollars squandered on assisting with their recovery, either, as concerning yourself with it could bite into your enjoyment of the music. Man.

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Poster:	shirley oldschool	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:49pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

too political, that's all.

Rhino does some good things with archived music that's just collecting dust.

I wonder if the quality control folks a rhino are reviewing ALL recorded show to present the VERY BEST OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD to all loyal fans. But judging by the last few releases, I doubt it.

I've purchased some rhino stuff that's just collecting dust, but that doesn't mean I won't play 'Madden '09' and huddle to bucket or purchase a future band release.

....and this is my sandwich, so don't even ask.

.........and also, THANK YOU

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Poster:	Arbuthnot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:48pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

no, you shut the fuck up; yes, it's music, but life isn't just about one thing, as Bryan's post so eloquently states; sorry, not trying to start anything, but really, was that response/reply of yours really necessary, or is it just cheap thrills that gets you off

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Poster:	lostmoon	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:07pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

I have collected so much content, paid and/or otherwise, I don't see myself buying more GD.

Maybe JG, but not GD, unless you could buy taper section files for a buck a pop. Now a-days, I spend $15 here and there on Kimock releases at Digital Soundboard to augment what I get here.

Also like the fact they sell some single tracks of other bands.

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Poster:	cream-puff-war	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 9:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

David Hilliard was like one of the Last Poets, but the kids shouting peace peace peace were scared of revolution. So Hilliard went over the top on November 15, 1969 at the Golden Gate Park Moratorium... The kids boo'd him when he started ranting that rock music wasn't worth fighting for. He got arrested a week later (all charges were dropped but he was on the list for good afterwards) for the final few words in his speech, which I won't repeat again, the point is... some things are best not said - free speech isn't free everywhere and forever anymore than music is. It's a drag that the music my generation and your generation together turned the world onto, at least anyone willing to listen, out of love and enthusiasm for a worthy thing, only to have it sold back to us after we already bought it - I mean, not just the Grateful Dead... we and I - in late 1963, very early 1964, we echoed the beat of the Beatles - way beyond even Elvis Presley or anyone in popular music before then, WE made them popular, which made them the biggest act entertainment phenonomen ever... and there've been a few, way before the 4 lads from Liverpool turned left at Greenland... but not like that, that support their fans gave them, it spread, to all generations, we changed their world and then they changed the whole world and then... well, you got it right... corporations are just that, corporations. Making money is what they do. They're generally not in the charity end of things. They study trends, sunny jim, and market them the way they see fit. Your opinion, your posts, your famous last words are on the google search engine 20 minutes later. All the love you give and have given to the no doubt Grateful Dead, is being studied, scrutinized and ultimately ground up into little sausages that are sold right back at ya. I was there in the late '60s when the Beatles were calling it a day, and the Dead were the next big thing... protesting greed and hipocracy with 250,000 other peace punks, but we didn't know brown (flush it down) from sunshine (mellow if yellow). Just like Bill Graham said to the ladies and gentlemen at the GD Fillmore East April 1971 concert who wanted more, more, more - relax alright? we were the same as today's remote contol phreaks who want their Cake and eat it too, vegan-style without the hydrox grease. Isn't that special. Alright, that's enough of cream puff! Have a month of Sundazed - imho the heir-in-waiting to the once cool Rhino - Sundazed' psychedelic free music player link is a-ok now... turn it on, pause it... no registration mess. non-unobtrusive, no pop-ups, and the little window can be buried under this window if you get the chance tune in once, just for me, that would make me smile;>) http://www.techwebsound.com/player.html Sundazed Tech Web of Sound even plays vintage Grateful Dead that Rhino hasn't released yet, such as the alternate backing tracks for the 1965 Scorpio sessions, and their playlist automatically updates and provides in-depth song/artist details at a click: • Technicolor Web of Sound www.techwebsound.com notice the streaming photo, in Bob Dylan's eye sockets, of a clean shaven Jerry Garcia! Or,well- he could've used a hair cut, ha ha. The Technicolor Web of Sound plays the best 60s psychedelic rock music from the classics to incredibly obscure gems. To complement the comprehensive playlist, TWOS also includes authentic, vintage 60s period radio commercials, thick air and lossless quadrophenic static. No more mr. nasty guy!
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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 9:03pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

smile (hey, that might make a good title for a work...)

I tuned in and have bookmarked - thanks for the heads up.

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Poster:	cream-puff-war	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 9:09pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

:->

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Poster:	BryanE	Date:	Sep 8, 2007 3:22pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

Better check with Brian Wilson first: Smile might be copyrighted.

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Sep 8, 2007 4:27pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

and/or with Van Dyke Parks

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Poster:	cream-puff-war	Date:	Sep 9, 2007 6:23pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS, SUNDAZED PLATTERS darkness shrugs

call it smiley-smile! That's never been used, right?

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:18pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

Hey Rip: how the fuck do you know exactly what Jerry would have wanted? Were you like a close personal friend or something?

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Poster:	acetboy	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 11:46am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:39pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

Sorry if I was rough in saying it but I have a problem with entitlement attitudes. It just rubs me the wrong way.

I WOULD buy anything they released if I could afford it.

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Poster:	ripcurldead	Date:	Sep 8, 2007 6:20am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

I don't know exactly what Jerry would want, but knowing what his public position was and understanding the spirit in which Jerry always talked about how we share the music, I come to that conclusion. Sure, I could be dead wrong, maybe Jerry really did think along the lines of other bands like Sprinsteen, sue any bastard that makes a "bootleg". But from my deduction, I don't think that was Jerry's position what so ever.. I think Jerry intended us to have acces to any show if we wanted.. The point I was driving at through all of this is that I hope RHINO can see that we desire more access to this music..

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Poster:	ripcurldead	Date:	Sep 8, 2007 6:20am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

I don't know exactly what Jerry would want, but knowing what his public position was and understanding the spirit in which Jerry always talked about how we share the music, I come to that conclusion. Sure, I could be dead wrong, maybe Jerry really did think along the lines of other bands like Sprinsteen, sue any bastard that makes a "bootleg". But from my deduction, I don't think that was Jerry's position what so ever.. I think Jerry intended us to have acces to any show if we wanted.. The point I was driving at through all of this is that I hope RHINO can see that we desire more access to this music..

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 10, 2007 8:03am
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

Why don't you go read what acetboy wrote. Makes perfect sense to me.

You don't draw any distinction between " sueing" everybody and letting you have any and every show you want?

I think you have issues with reality. I don't believe for one second that was what he thought. And IF it was, explain

a) the Road crew used to bust on even audience tapers back in the day

b) if Jerry was so personally concerned with you personally having access to every show, then why didn't he personally put more care into not letting things fall on the cutting room floor when auditioning those 80 shows for reckoning and dead set?

c) the band never sanctioned every SBD to leak.

HUH?

You seem like a complete whiner man. There's so much out there already due to the generousity of the band - whether on purpose or through their laizze faire attitude. Why do you then have an attitude of a greedy child? Do you still ive with your parents

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Poster:	Purple Gel	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:36pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS/

It is funny to me how quickly Heads are to blame Rhino for acting like what they are, a CORPORATION. The true blame for the state of the archive lies with GDM. One reason that the library was sold to Rhino was that GDM, horribly mismanaged the library to begin with. There just aren't enough of us true fans,or heads, who will buy anything and everything the band releases. It is just simply bad business to oversaturate the market, which is what happened. How many truly deadicated fans are there? I would venture to guess that there never were more than 50 thousand at any given time, and most of those don't neccerssarily want every killer version of every show. Remember, all those sold out shows included thousands who went to every show in a given tour, and many more who went to 3 or more. It was real easy to believe that there were millions of us out there, which I think is a trap that the band fell into as well, leading them to think that it was economically reasonable to release a constant stream of music. I think that the big marketing mistake since Jerry's death has been the oversaturation of available music. The average Grateful Dead fan, does not want or need that 15th (or even 3rd) killer version of Scarlet>Fire, or Dark Star etc. The fact is that in the 12 years since Jerry's death, there have been around 50 cd/dvd/collection releases. This for a band that had a cult following, which means that in no way were they in the conciousness of the mainstream. Artists like the Beatles and Elvis, who's fans number in the tens, if not hundreds of MILLIONS, did not release near as many cd/dvds in a comparable time period.There are simply not enough of us (those who would purchase everything they put out) to make it economically feasible to release so much music. While constant releases have been welcomed with open arms by us few, who else is going to purchase them. The mainstream/casual fan already has access to more Live Dead than they would ever want or need. This band, which existed on the fringes of music society, has more music out than any one else!! Like it or not, Rhino owns the archive because the band mismanaged it, and it is very possible that they overpaid for it and will have a hard time recouping their investment.Rhino is a corporate entity who's primary obligation is to the bottom line and the shareholders, not to us Deadheads, and the band knew this when they signed the rights over to them. My guess is that, even though we would all like to see a steady stream of releases, Rhino's bottom line will be better served by letting the music out in small increments.
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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:32pm
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and what he (Purple Gel) said...

Also, am I the only one who thinks rhino does a great job with other artists and re-releases? Because I do (just ask the estate of gram parsons - still waiting for amoeba and the grateful dead/gram release)

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:15pm
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No way Bluedevil! I am 100% with you. Rhino has ALWAYS put put great stuff AND at very good prices too.

Personally I think some people would still bitch if they were putting out a release a day for $1.00

And what about the Dead themselves? Not exactly rapidly putting out a lot of things now were they?

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:15pm
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No way Bluedevil! I am 100% with you. Rhino has ALWAYS put put great stuff AND at very good prices too.

Personally I think some people would still bitch if they were putting out a release a day for $1.00

And what about the Dead themselves? Not exactly rapidly putting out a lot of things now were they?

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:29pm
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"maybe they don't see how much money they are losing by not releasing this music to us on a regular basis."

Well, I question the value of these releases. Perhaps the cost of marketing, packaging and the man-hours necessary to release this stuff creates a situation in which it is not profitable to do so? Is that possible? I think it's a distinct possibility.

Last DP I bought was #14.

I seem to be able to get my hands on all the music I'll need for a lifetime.

So, let's take a quick poll....

How many of you would pay $15 for a 3-set release via download??

Possible answers are....

Yes
No
Maybe

Keep in mind, the maybes are killers when it comes to crunching numbers in anticipation of a marketing campaign. So, if you are thinking maybe, just pretend your finger is on the dl button and you must make a choice.

My answer is no.

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Poster:	elbow1126	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:23pm
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Yes, I have purchased 2DPs, one DL series and the Vault box in the last 2 months. I think that boycotting Rhino will only assure that less and less is released.

I posted about this some time ago, that just having access to the music here has actually resulted in me buying more stuff. That is why I actually think the more heinous crime is that things are constantly getting pulled from here so we can no longer even stream the stuff. Moreover when they pulled the shows for streaming they pulled the reviews so even if Rhino releases one of the pulled shows you can't go back and see what folks like Dr. Flashback had to say about it. So much for being an archive of information.

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Poster:	Lou Davenport	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:07pm
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If it's HDCD, then very much yes, and I think I did buy 8 or 9 of the 13 dl releases before the Rhino captivity.

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:20pm
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my answer is also no. I hate to say it but I've been extremely spoiled when it comes to getting stuff for free. Even if they pulled the plug on torrents, etc. I STILL have more than enough to trade. And even if I couldn't find a trade, so what? That would just give me an excuse to give things I already have a more serious listen.

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Poster:	waynecs	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:20pm
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not $15 for a DL - no way,sorry.

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Poster:	high flow	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:52pm
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So, as I see it....

...we are all in the "HEAVY CONSUMER" demographic....ages 32-55. We have the $$ and time to follow our passion.

Yet, only about 50% of us would be willing to pay $5/set for a DL release.

Are there bigger fans of GD than us?? Where??

I must say that before I found LMA, GD had fallen off my radar somewhat. I was spending my extra $$ on camping trips and bluegrass festivals and other vacations. None of that has changed, except that I listen to as much GD now as I did back in the touring days.

They have my ears, but my cash is spoken for.:(

This is no boycott...it's my reality....Rhino's too.

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Poster:	waynecs	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:06pm
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Let me be clear - I wouldn't pay that kinda cash for DLs.
I have and will continue to pay for HDCDs of shows I want and like someone else pointed out it is because of the archive that I got interested enough to start buying archival releases to begin with.

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:48pm
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no

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Poster:	huntr	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 3:58pm
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I would buy official Flacs for shows I was at .. or better yet pressed CDs.. In a heartbeat..

as long as they were whole shows with nothing edited out or mixed away .. like say a phil bass solo

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Poster:	not_a_typical_daydream	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:44pm
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What I want to know is, what does Rhino have in the vault that I can't get ahold of now?
This is a serious question, I would really like to know which shows you would want that aren't available now.
Peace.

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Poster:	mcgannahan	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 8:27pm
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i want providence 78, the aud is o.k, but i want her hotter, sexier, bigger chested sister, the soundboard

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Poster:	cousinkix1953	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 11:01pm
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"just how much music can you possibly need or even listen to? i don't ask this question to inflame your ire, but more so for the reason that i can't fathom why one can't be more than satisfied by what is already quite readily available."

Wrong! RHINO has pulled the plug on the "Download" series which cost them almost NOTHING to produce. The buyer supplies their own blank CDrs, slim cases and art work. Those links on Nug.net and other sites lead to nowhere. What kind of BS is this?

Anybody who wants those downloads is now forced to burn bootleg copies instead of buying them. Their teasing games with the Winterland 11/73 boxset, is more of the same L.A. corporate WARNER Music's business model garbage.

Some of us just got tired of waiting for the remastered Zane Kesey "Sunshine Daydream" DVD. It now circulates in thre bit torrent scene...

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Poster:	grendelschoice	Date:	Sep 10, 2007 8:21am
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Might as well...

add my flame to the already growing fire.

If we're trying to figure out WHY Rhino has been so slow to release official material, it seems the most likely answer is partly what Purple Gel said and a few others about whether it's cost-effective for Rhino to do so.

If a space alien who knew nothing about the popularity of music in the US/World were to tap into this site he would think the Dead are the most popular band of all time. But what's sadly more true is that there are a VERY limited number of DeadHeads worldwide, and even fewer willing to pay for every vault release that comes out.

Paying for DL's seems especially silly (we all know why) but I for one would pay through the nose for HIGH QUALITY, well-packaged, liner-note infused official show releases. I just would.

But it probably is the case that given the production costs that would go into that weighed versus the number of people who would actually go and buy the product, Rhino would come out in the red.

I'm guessing here, but that's how it seems. I think they;re probably looking right now at the numbers from the Cow Palace New Years show and wondering if it was even worth it.

Just my 2 cents...but I do wish they'd understand that there are at least THIS MANY (archive) DeadHeads who would step up and open their wallets if they would just open the vaults.

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Poster:	latebutdeadicated	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:10pm
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i let them know how i feel every time a new DP is released. i buy it. if that message is not clear to them then we are screwed (as far as official releases are concerned) i have emialed them the very same sentiment and all i get is the standard "thank for your interest" reply whatever, their loss, torrents here i come (leaves me more $$$ for hard drives :) )
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Poster:	Arbuthnot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:02pm
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just how much music can you possibly need or even listen to? i don't ask this question to inflame your ire, but more so for the reason that i can't fathom why one can't be more than satisfied by what is already quite readily available; would i myself like to see some sweet shows released, like those '81 boards? of course, but why complain & moan as though that is the final answer to everything; it is a curse of this modern age that we want everything now, now, now, and sadly lack a view of the infinite and eternal

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Poster:	johnnyonthespot	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:14pm
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Brilliant words of wisdom Arb! WTF is this world coming to?

Doesn't anyone remember TAPES? Snail mail? How excited one would get when you got a " crisp" board that by today's level of easy to obtain quality would have people pissed at the quality?

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Poster:	bluedevil	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:16pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

what he (Arbuthnot) said

btw, I still haven't caught up on the ever growing tigerbolt jerry offerings, which I'm finding a hell of lot more interesting/exciting/whatever than the NYE/COw Palace release (which I bought)

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Poster:	ripcurldead	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 2:25pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

I understand your poitoin, and It think m position is more of principal according to what Jerry intended the music to be and how we have always enjoyed the music, freely.. The music never belinged to the heads, I understood that all along.
The reason is more about the access for anyone to go and be able to pick what they want. ie:"that Glenns Fall show in 81, Great UJB, that would be great to listen to!"
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to tap into the vault Dl and and pay your fee and be happy... Right now it's all locked up...
I feel if we put a bit of pressure on them they will loosen the guidelines and maybe make it more accessible for us. thats all. Rhino's reponse has been stoic and unsatisfactory..

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Poster:	Death&Mercy	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:32pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

"just how much music can you possibly need or even listen to? i don't ask this question to inflame your ire, but more so for the reason that i can't fathom why one can't be more than satisfied by what is already quite readily available; would i myself like to see some sweet shows released, like those '81 boards? of course, but why complain & moan as though that is the final answer to everything; it is a curse of this modern age that we want everything now, now, now, and sadly lack a view of the infinite and eternal"


good stuff Arb.

we are pretty lucky to have been involved in this journey at all ....

I feel lucky.

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Poster:	stilldead77	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 4:48pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

"it is a curse of this modern age that we want everything now, now, now, and sadly lack a view of the infinite and eternal."

When I came to Thailand from California two years ago, I did not have much Dead. Actually, my mom just sent me my old tapes and I was enjoying them. Then my friend e-mailed me the link for this site and said, "Don't ever buy another Dead CD again!" I didn't.

I started to learn about the best soundboards and was DL some three to four shows a day -- for around two months. I was calling everyone back home, but they were uninterested, too stoned or lazy to get on here. I remember calling my brother, who is my show partner for 100's of various shows, including the Dead. I said, "Man, you have to get on Archive, all the killer boards are there and I am learning so much from the forum about the Dead. I told him i was glued to the computer, though I just arrived in Thailand to teach. He actually yelled at me and said, "Get off the computer and get outside! Go do something you can't do back here, go see some sights, so walking down some wild street -- You could get all that music back home here."

I was a little hurt that he could not understand my GREED. I was like a pig in shit, any board i wanted was an hour or so away from my hard drive. So, I continued to be a loser and DL 3 shows a day. Then, that day came and I was so hurt inside. I called my brother to tell him how sad it was and he simply told me --- "Awesome! Now you have time to listen to the shows you have been downloading."

It him me like a ton of bricks, yes, I have not even had time to enjoy the shows i was so feverish about downloading. So I went on to listen to them and enjoy WHAT I HAD.

I, along with many of us on here are not being, "Shown the light." Let's spend the next month in utter gratitude for all the killer shows we have. ( I know some of you are already there)

You know, i was just back home in the US and all my friends could not believe how much Dead music i had, they thought i was a freak. Looking back, I see how selfish, greedy and unappreciative i have been.

I am firing up 4-17-69, followed by 2-2-4-74 and going back to the Eternal today.

Thanks for showing me the light.

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Poster:	huntr	Date:	Sep 7, 2007 1:45pm
Forum:	GratefulDead	Subject:	Re: RHINO RECORDS SCUMBAGS

they did pay an awful lot of money for the license....